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Comic and Manga Print Area Tut by telophase Comic and Manga Print Area Tut by telophase
This is a short tutorial explaining four concepts you need to know if you're making comic or manga pages for print. This is how you know where to put speech balloons so they won't be cut off, and how to make some panels bleed off the edge of the page.

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mylemonblue Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2011
I've had preprinted pages and still found myself confused as heck with all the lines and margins. I would go cross eyed looking at that mess. This tut makes all the difference. Thank you.
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contra-rawr Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i know it's been a while since you've posted this, but i just wanted to say thanks for making it! it's a great resource. :)
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MightyMelleR Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2010
interesting to know. Thanks!
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Ayu0345 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2010  Student General Artist
Thank u for this sooo much! I've been wondering about this a lot. Even your other comments on here are useful! But just to make sure.. So if u want to be recognized and u draw on an A4 size manuscript and submit it, is that ok?
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Hiurro Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2010
Very informative. I do have one question though.
Is 1/4 inch for the bleed, trim and safety standard for all page sizes? For example if I wanted to do pages that would be 7.2 X 10.2 would I need a trim and bleed larger than 1/4 inch?
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kousagi Featured By Owner May 19, 2010
Love this, thanks for the awesome tutorial!
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DecoraAi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2010
Very awesome tutorial thankyou!!

Um, could you also make a manga writing script tutorial? Or do you have one?

I'm SO confuse on making a script.. D:
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DecoraAi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2010
Oh I'm sorry, please excuse this..I didn't mean to bother you..

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lykeomgeeduh Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2009  Student General Artist
omgosh.
you don't know how helpful you've been. like, really, i wanna, like, give you my heart because of this tutorial.
:la:
you really don't know what you did.
THANK YOU.
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telophase Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome and thank you for the kind words! XD
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lykeomgeeduh Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2010  Student General Artist
lol no prob and THANK YOU!
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yaoumei Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2009
Would you happen to know any place that would allow mature sexual content to be printed? I've been looking for a print place where I can still own my own book, and have it printed. Most places either want to own the rights to it, or they won't print it at all.
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telophase Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
On quickly checking the DW Press site, they seem to have stopped printing other people's stuff again. You could ask Lightning Source if they'll print it.
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yaoumei Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2009
"Books should not be pornographic or obscene to a degree where they would not be carried by a traditional trade bookstore."

Poo diddly. >_>;; Thank you though. The search continues! lol
I've bookmarked them, and even though they say that in their FAQ I'll check after I finish it. XD;
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telophase Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Try Dreamweaver Press. I think they might.
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neogio Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2009  Professional General Artist
Yeah I Googled Manga printing and this came up. Very helpful :) Thanks for taking time to make this. Faved :) If you need any cover art, let me know :)
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Orakage Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2008
This guide is really useful... but I have one question. I heard that when you want to publish something, you need to use a bigger format to draw you story than the format it'll be publish. Do you know which format is the best if you want to publish ? And if you do, does the size of the bleed/trim/safety change ?

Please if you can answer my question, do. I searched everywhere I could and didn't find anything !
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telophase Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sure, I can answer, although you might not like it. XD The format that's best is the format that the company wants you to use. And everyone has a different format. If you're trying to do a regular comic that you hope to sell to a company like Marvel or DC, they use standard sizes and you can buy comic board/paper in that size. If you're thinking about something more manga-like, or an indie comic, then the company probably has its own size.

The good thing about that is that you don't have to worry about it before you sign a contract with them: you can submit a story or sample work in whatever size you like and they'll give you the technical specs to draw the story after they hire you. It's pretty much a fact of life that you'll be rewriting and re-drawing whatever you submit if you're hired. So don't worry too much about the specs.

The one case in which you *do* have to worry about the specs before you're hired is if the company is running a contest or soliciting already-created material. And in those cases, the company will put the specs they're looking for in the contest rules or the submission guidelines, so you'll know what they are.

Or, perhaps, you decide you want to self-publish. In *that* case, you select a printer first and talk to them about their specs. The company I used to print the comic I used for this tutorial is no longer in the business, so I switched. The new company I found has slightly different specs, but not too different. But I found out what they were before settling in to draw the final pencils of the next comic for them. :)
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Orakage Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2008
Thank you, you anwsered my question perfectly !
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telophase Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome! :)
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CassandraJames Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
This is a great guide! *favs*
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ghost666whisperer Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2007
great stuff! very importsnt if u want to bring it to press :)
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kaalashnikov Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2006  Student Filmographer
Very thrilled to see this, I was wondering myself. Helps a LOT! <3
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ekimailbox Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2006
thankyou ><
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Timma906 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2006
this is great but, i always wondered how are we gonna do those pages that take up 2 pages, do you know? it would be a great help! :)
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kuricurry Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2006  Professional General Artist
Nice tutorial..
Though not for beginners like myself like I was hoping for ~
:XD: I don't know anything about manga panels and the likes, what you've shone me though, is sort of .... they already have panels placed properly already ~
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telophase Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2006  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, the reason it didn't show you how to place panels is that it was not a tutorial about placing panels. It was about the print area. :)

Placing panels is easier to figure out from studying manga and comics than anything else. Once you realize that the most important panels on the page are the biggest, you can look at a page of script, break it into panels, and figure out which ones are important - establishing shots usually are, and anything with serious plot, emotional, or dramatic significance needs to be the biggest. You put the biggest ones on the page in roughly the area you think they ought to go, and start arranging the other panels around them.

Look at the manga you read. Take a page and see which panels are the biggest. Ask yourself why they're so important. Look at the rest of the panels and see how they fit with the biggest one, both physically - the shapes and sizes of the panels - and thematically - the content of the panels, both art and text. That'll start you on your way. If you've got a page tha tyou want to do and the biggest panels are panels 1 and 4, look through your manga, find a page with panels 1 and 4 the alrgest, and see how the rest of the page w2ould or would not fit with what you're trying to do. And so on.

This sort of thing is very hard to explain, and you won't learn how to do it without seriously hard work on your own part in drawing lots and lots of boxes on paper. There's no magic bullet.
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kuricurry Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2006  Professional General Artist
Is their a way to fave a comment ? :XD: If there was, definitely this one would be in it...~
Anyways, I'm sorry if I sounded hasty or anything... I'm just ...uhm, sort of forced into making a manga... and I was never good. I don't even know the basics ~!! And somehow, I know something now...
*points to your tutorial* Thanks to that, I know something ~!!

And, I've seen what you mean. True, there're panels much larger than the others and the smaller ones
just tend to go around the bigger one making it like they're somewhat smaller actions or faster ones~...
I wish there was though, like some sort of magic... and tada !! You're the greatest manga artist there was

:rofl: Thanks, and really....really....appreciate your concern...~ :worship:
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themeanypoet Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2005
Thanks for the tut!
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dtovar922 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2005
(saving for future reference) That's probably why I never hear anything back from Radio Comix!
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camlost Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
that is very interestig, and helpful
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cyancat Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2005
Thanks so Much! I really appreciate you putting this up. Helps in terms of nearly every aspect. Now I know how to really get that page made. I really want to submit a story for your book. I already made up the characters, now to draw them out!
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LeeSan Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2005
woo, thanks for the toot :]
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TwistToReality Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2005  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow! Wanna-be's like me have been /waiting/ for something like this! +grovels in respect+ I tahnk thee. XD
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Minakichan Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2005  Hobbyist Digital Artist
wow, a ton of RSoM-wannabe people are going to eternally love you for this.

I'm one. *bows to your socks* I didn't know that printing trims could vary that much...that sucks ><.
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telophase Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2005  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:D Yeah, it can vary a lot - I've got a Tokyopop book - forgot which one and I'm not going to look for it - where on a number of pages, the word balloons closest to the edge are either cut off or buried deep in the binding. (Actually, the binding takes up a lot of the trim - I forgot to mention it on the tut.)

Tokyopop's got slightly smaller bleed and trim sizes, but they've probably got access to more expensive printing equipment than the printer I use (Dreamweaver Press), plus my printer deals more with people who are just starting out, and even quarter-inch sizes are so much easier to deal with than .216" or whatever funky measurement it is that Tpop uses. Tpop also doesn't use the Safety, but if they've got less tolerance in teh equpiment for error, the they can afford to do it.

At any rate, if you figure out how to use these concepts from this, it's fairly easy to work out how Tpop does it.
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n1nj4-Katak-chan Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2005
wow thats like a flash back of my pre press class
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telophase Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2005  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:D Thought I'd make a visual explanation for some people who have problems with my text explanation.
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n1nj4-Katak-chan Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2005
yea ive had that drilled into my head for the last 2 years... i would have had it no prob
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